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		<title>Obama and the Nobel</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a clusterf- a big mess.  Our president has won the Nobel Peace Prize.  Now we could sit here and argue about whether or not it is premature (it likely is, depending on how you look at it).  We could even argue about whether or not he could do anything to deserve it ever.  [...]<p><a href="http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2009/10/obama-and-the-nobel/">Obama and the Nobel</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog">Spiritual Tramp</a>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">clusterf-</span> a big mess.  Our president has won the Nobel Peace Prize.  Now we could sit here and argue about whether or not it is premature (it likely is, depending on how you look at it).  We could even argue about whether or not he could do anything to deserve it ever.  Or, you know, we could be proud.  But the spokesmen of both major parties have weighed in, and cast logic to the winds.</p>
<p>RNC Chairman Michael Steele <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/63395/michael-steele-attacks-obama-over-nobel-peace-prize-yes-really">said this</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><span>The real question Americans are asking is, “What has President Obama actually accomplished?” It is unfortunate that the president’s star power has outshined tireless advocates who have made real achievements working towards peace and human rights. One thing is certain — President Obama won’t be receiving any awards from Americans for job creation, fiscal responsibility, or backing up rhetoric with concrete action.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>So speaking of premature, Steele can now see into the future?  Not to be outdone in his foot in mouth-ness (what?  it&#8217;s a word.)  Brad Woodhouse the DNC Communications Director <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/63395/michael-steele-attacks-obama-over-nobel-peace-prize-yes-really">said this</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The Republican Party has thrown in its lot with the terrorists &#8211; the Taliban and Hamas this morning &#8211; in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>It goes on (mostly downhill) from there.  Now strictly speaking, Woodhouse is right.  The RNC and Hamas are in agreement when it comes to shouting down Obama&#8217;s award and I&#8217;d say any time you find yourself agreeing with Hamas you might want to think twice at least.  But (and this is a big but) I want to call a halt to all comparisons of your political opponent to a dictator or terrorist group.  It&#8217;s stupid, intellectually bankrupt, and blatantly manipulative (I am so not gonna say anything about Glenn Beck).  Also I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s something Goebbels would have been proud of.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s won it, accepted it humbly, and wants to move on and actually try to get some stuff done.  Any shouting about how he didn&#8217;t deserve it or did deserve it or how weak the Nobel Committee is or how weak the right wing radio air bags are is really adding nothing to the conversation or to our country getting itself out of the messes it is mired in.  Can we focus on that, please?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was sent a link to the Conservative Bible Project &#8211; Conservapedia by a friend last night and then Sid tweeted about it this morning. It is an effort by political conservatives to correct what they view as errors in translation due to bias in &#8220;converting the original language to the modern one&#8221; by &#8220;retranslating [...]<p><a href="http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2009/10/conservative-bible-project-conservapedia/">Conservative Bible Project</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog">Spiritual Tramp</a>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was sent a link to the <a href="http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project#cite_note-0">Conservative Bible Project &#8211; Conservapedia</a> by a friend last night and then Sid tweeted about it this morning.  It is an effort by political conservatives to correct what they view as errors in translation due to bias in &#8220;converting the original language to the modern one&#8221; by &#8220;retranslating the KJV into modern English&#8221;.</p>
<p>There are so many problems here that it might be easier to just start with what they have right.  I will agree that there are certainly issues with the most popular translation, the <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-International-Version-NIV-Bible/">NIV</a>.  The primary issue, as I understand it, comes from the effort on the part of the translators to make it easier to understand and in trying to communicate what they believe that the original authors intended they did what is commonly called a &#8220;thought for thought&#8221; translation.  Other translations including the English Standard Version use a &#8220;word for word&#8221; approach.</p>
<p>A thought for thought approach, while commendable, has resulted in what many people consider to be a weaker translation theologiclaly speaking.  That by no means indicates that it is insufficient or unusable, but if what you&#8217;re looking for is something closer to the oldest manuscripts we have then you want to look elsewhere.  So if their goal is to make a more accurate translation (which doesn&#8217;t seem to be the case) then that&#8217;s commendable.  It&#8217;s already been done, but hey what&#8217;s one more translation, right?  Wrong.</p>
<p>If I were to take what they wrote at face value then it seems that they don&#8217;t want to do a translation at all.  If they are indeed &#8220;retranslating the KJV into modern English&#8221; then it&#8217;s really more of a paraphrase since translation implies moving from the original language into a different language.  Besides, if they just want that then there&#8217;s always the New King James Version which is essentially the KJV updated to modern English.  It uses the same manuscripts as the KJV but notes where other manuscripts differ.</p>
<p>But no, what they want to do here is take their political agenda and use &#8220;translation&#8221; to hammer God&#8217;s word into a shape that they find acceptable.  I&#8217;m really not okay with that.  Now I recognize that everyone on God&#8217;s green Earth has an agenda and that anyone who enters the field of translation is going to carry with them some sort of baggage.  We&#8217;re all human beings here.  The problem I have with this particular agenda is that it&#8217;s got nothing to do with trying to mine the word of God and divine what he is trying to say to us and everything to do with shaping the word of God to make something politically acceptable.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at this point by point:</p>
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<li> <em><strong>Framework against Liberal Bias</strong>: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias -</em> No what they want is a paraphrase of a translation acceptable to their constituents that&#8217;s corrupted by conservative bias.  That&#8217;s better somehow?  Oh and they admit that newer translations use more accurate manuscripts.</li>
<li> <em><strong>Not Emasculated</strong>: avoiding unisex, &#8220;gender inclusive&#8221; language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity </em>- I&#8217;d need some clarification here.  I&#8217;m aware of some translations that use more gender neutral terms to refer to God.  If that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re referring to then I might be okay with sticking strictly to the original language.  However, that&#8217;s got nothing to do with thinking that God is some big dude in the sky.  God is a spirit and possesses no gender, but chose to reveal himself in the masculine for specific reasons and hey why not stick with that?<em><br />
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<li> <em><strong>Not Dumbed Down</strong>: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the <a class="mw-redirect" title="NIV" href="http://conservapedia.com/NIV">NIV</a><sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"><a href="http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project#cite_note-2">[3]</a></sup> is written at only the 7th grade level </em>- So tempted to make a comment here about their target audience, but it&#8217;s not nice and not entirely true.  Instead I&#8217;ll just say that the NIV isn&#8217;t &#8220;written&#8221; at a certain grade level it&#8217;s translated and tool might place it at a certain grade level.  So what?  The KJV uses fewer English words and is only more challenging to read due to archaic language.</li>
<li> <em><strong>Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms</strong>: using powerful new <a class="mw-redirect" title="Essay:Best New Conservative Terms" href="http://conservapedia.com/Essay:Best_New_Conservative_Terms">conservative terms</a> as they develop;<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project#cite_note-3">[4]</a></sup> defective translations use the word &#8220;comrade&#8221; three times as often as &#8220;volunteer&#8221;; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as &#8220;word&#8221;, &#8220;peace&#8221;, and &#8220;miracle&#8221;. &#8211; </em>Language certainly evolves over  time.  Both the left and the right have &#8220;co-opted&#8221; language for their own arguments.  Still I&#8217;d like to know what the old meaning of peace is and what new &#8220;conservative&#8221; word they would use in its place.  This has got 1984 written all over it.</li>
<li> <em><strong>Combat Harmful Addiction</strong>: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as &#8220;gamble&#8221; rather than &#8220;cast lots&#8221;;<sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference"><a href="http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project#cite_note-4">[5]</a></sup></em> <em>using modern political terms, such as &#8220;register&#8221; rather than &#8220;enroll&#8221; for the census</em>- In the OT casting lots wasn&#8217;t gambling, it was used as a divining tool by prophets.  Non-believers may still believe that it works out to be the same, but these guys don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re talking about.<em><br />
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<li> <em><strong>Accept the Logic of Hell</strong>: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of <a title="Hell" href="http://conservapedia.com/Hell">Hell</a> or the <a title="Devil" href="http://conservapedia.com/Devil">Devil</a>. </em>- It&#8217;s nice of them to admit that conservatives are more interested in using guilt to push our buttons and get us in line.  The focus of the Bible is and always has been more about communion with God and what that means that about what being cast out is like.  The NT mentions Heaven ten times more often than Hell.  Hell should not be our focus.</li>
<li> <em><strong>Express Free Market Parables</strong>; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning</em>- Honestly, I don&#8217;t know what to even say here except that these people, the ones who were living during biblical times didn&#8217;t have a free market as we understand it.  Jesus wasn&#8217;t teaching an economic model and if he were?  Our current model wouldn&#8217;t be it.<em><br />
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<li> <em><strong>Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages</strong>: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the <a class="mw-redirect" title="Adulteress story" href="http://conservapedia.com/Adulteress_story">adulteress story</a></em>- This is wrong on a number of levels.  I mean okay let&#8217;s assume that Jesus didn&#8217;t say &#8220;Let He who is without sin cast the first stone&#8221;, the idea of forgiveness and grace and that we are ALL sinners is pretty&#8230;. clear given the rest of God&#8217;s word.  They&#8217;re annoyed that &#8220;liberals&#8221; are using this as an anti-death penalty screed.  Guess what?  They&#8217;re wrong too.  Not the point of this passage.</li>
<li> <em><strong>Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples</strong>: crediting <a title="Essay:Quantifying Openmindedness" href="http://conservapedia.com/Essay:Quantifying_Openmindedness">open-mindedness</a>, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels </em>- No idea what to say here that wouldn&#8217;t be ad hominem.<em><br />
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<li> <em><strong>Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness</strong>: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word &#8220;Lord&#8221; rather than &#8220;Jehovah&#8221; or &#8220;Yahweh&#8221; or &#8220;Lord God.&#8221;</em> &#8211; Okay so first they say that the liberal version is dumbed down.  Then this.  Make up your friggin&#8217; mind people.</li>
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<p>The rest of that page frankly just pisses me off.  The whole idea is ridiculous on its face and does NOTHING, accomplishes NOTHING more than adding fuel to the notion that Christians are just a bunch of morons that want to use the Bible to accomplish some right-wing agenda.  Are their Christians like that? Sure.  Not all, or I hope and pray even most.  </p>
<p>Okay that&#8217;s enough for now.  I need to take my blood pressure meds.</p>
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