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	<title>Comments on: Profaning God</title>
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		<title>By: Kansas Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3056</link>
		<dc:creator>Kansas Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 05:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DARWINDAMMIT!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Snurp</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3055</link>
		<dc:creator>Snurp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 04:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an atheist, and, when I think about it, Jesus&#039; name is my most common &#039;swear,&#039; with &#039;God dammit&#039; taking a close second.  I don&#039;t even think about it when I do it; it&#039;s just the default.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree with sid that it&#039;s mainly learned, but to add to that, I think part of what happens with using these sorts of words is the act is -intended- to be offensive.  We&#039;re angry, we want to express that anger, and using forbidden words, or using acceptable words in forbidden ways, does the job in a way that doesn&#039;t involve actually breaking things or other riskier actions.  For that purpose, an oath of damnation, whether believed in or not, can work just as well as any regular swear word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m an atheist, and, when I think about it, Jesus&#39; name is my most common &#39;swear,&#39; with &#39;God dammit&#39; taking a close second.  I don&#39;t even think about it when I do it; it&#39;s just the default.</p>
<p>I agree with sid that it&#39;s mainly learned, but to add to that, I think part of what happens with using these sorts of words is the act is -intended- to be offensive.  We&#39;re angry, we want to express that anger, and using forbidden words, or using acceptable words in forbidden ways, does the job in a way that doesn&#39;t involve actually breaking things or other riskier actions.  For that purpose, an oath of damnation, whether believed in or not, can work just as well as any regular swear word.</p>
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		<title>By: Kansas Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3054</link>
		<dc:creator>Kansas Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess that is one perspective on it.. interesting that no one says &quot;Darwindammit&quot; :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that is one perspective on it.. interesting that no one says &#8220;Darwindammit&#8221; <img src='http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: sidfaiwu</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3053</link>
		<dc:creator>sidfaiwu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Goddammit&quot; and the like are more cultural than religious in nature.  They&#039;re not actual requests for a deity to smite something but a learned expression of frustration.  It&#039;s no different to me than any other swear words common to Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Goddammit&#8221; and the like are more cultural than religious in nature.  They&#39;re not actual requests for a deity to smite something but a learned expression of frustration.  It&#39;s no different to me than any other swear words common to Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Gamber</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3051</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Gamber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The really tragic irony for me is how these Christians, who are acting &quot;in the best interest&quot; of unbelievers, are the ones who make Christianity appear so unappealing. A preoccupation with the religious &#039;Heaven/Hell for eternity&#039; question turns off unbelievers to a life-saving, here and now relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really tragic irony for me is how these Christians, who are acting &#8220;in the best interest&#8221; of unbelievers, are the ones who make Christianity appear so unappealing. A preoccupation with the religious &#39;Heaven/Hell for eternity&#39; question turns off unbelievers to a life-saving, here and now relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: Kansas Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3050</link>
		<dc:creator>Kansas Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 03:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wondering - do atheists take the Lord&#039;s name in vain? Would seem strange for them to use the name of Jesus or to say G-D it. Just wondering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wondering &#8211; do atheists take the Lord&#39;s name in vain? Would seem strange for them to use the name of Jesus or to say G-D it. Just wondering.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Daniel Sawyer</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3046</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Daniel Sawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to half-jokingly say that I respected God too much to believe in him anymore.  It wasn&#039;t actually the reason I left, but the monstrosity that Christian theology makes God out to be is one of the two early things that got me seriously questioning things.&lt;br&gt;-Dan Sawyer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to half-jokingly say that I respected God too much to believe in him anymore.  It wasn&#39;t actually the reason I left, but the monstrosity that Christian theology makes God out to be is one of the two early things that got me seriously questioning things.<br />-Dan Sawyer</p>
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		<title>By: spiritualtramp</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3045</link>
		<dc:creator>spiritualtramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s always good to question.  I hope you continue to question and that one day we can agree on more answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#39;s always good to question.  I hope you continue to question and that one day we can agree on more answers.</p>
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		<title>By: spiritualtramp</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3044</link>
		<dc:creator>spiritualtramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can imagine.  Sorry it was true in your case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can imagine.  Sorry it was true in your case.</p>
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		<title>By: sidfaiwu</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3043</link>
		<dc:creator>sidfaiwu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Now I don’t know if there really are any (functioning) atheists that arrived where they are because of this...&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Actually, I know a few atheists who started not directly because of the theology of believers, but because of the actions of those believers based on their theology.  Heck, that was definitely part of it for me early on.  Once I allowed myself to commit what you might call false heresy by questioning said theology, I realized that I had the freedom to question and answer for myself &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; aspects of Christian theology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now I don’t know if there really are any (functioning) atheists that arrived where they are because of this&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I know a few atheists who started not directly because of the theology of believers, but because of the actions of those believers based on their theology.  Heck, that was definitely part of it for me early on.  Once I allowed myself to commit what you might call false heresy by questioning said theology, I realized that I had the freedom to question and answer for myself <i>all</i> aspects of Christian theology.</p>
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		<title>By: Beq</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3042</link>
		<dc:creator>Beq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone raised Christian but no longer one, and am now a solitary practicing pagan, I have to say that the &#039;You *will* believe as I do&#039; and &#039;You&#039;re going to hell because you don&#039;t believe as $Christian sect&#039; did more to drive me from my church of origin than any other single factor. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hypocrisy and fanaticism are the fastest ways to drive anyone away from any faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone raised Christian but no longer one, and am now a solitary practicing pagan, I have to say that the &#39;You *will* believe as I do&#39; and &#39;You&#39;re going to hell because you don&#39;t believe as $Christian sect&#39; did more to drive me from my church of origin than any other single factor. </p>
<p>Hypocrisy and fanaticism are the fastest ways to drive anyone away from any faith.</p>
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		<title>By: spiritualtramp</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3041</link>
		<dc:creator>spiritualtramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, the hills I would &quot;die&quot; on would be anything mentioned in the Apostle&#039;s Creed.  I think that&#039;s a pretty basic statement of faith and if you don&#039;t believe what&#039;s laid out there I for one would at least wonder why you call yourself a Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, the hills I would &#8220;die&#8221; on would be anything mentioned in the Apostle&#39;s Creed.  I think that&#39;s a pretty basic statement of faith and if you don&#39;t believe what&#39;s laid out there I for one would at least wonder why you call yourself a Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: spiritualtramp</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3040</link>
		<dc:creator>spiritualtramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jackie, thanks for the comment.</description>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3039</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So let&#039;s presume we&#039;ve managed to embrace reasonable ways.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What hills can you die on and how?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So let&#39;s presume we&#39;ve managed to embrace reasonable ways.</p>
<p>What hills can you die on and how?</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Gamber</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3038</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Gamber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve met so many &quot;unbelievers&quot; that have been turned off by judgmental Christians--not because of a fundamental flaw in faith. Jesus&#039;s harshest criticisms were for the religious leaders who forgot the basic tenet of our relationship with God and with each other: love. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I couldn&#039;t agree more with your statement that &quot;...the church has done more damage to people&#039;s faith than a thousand million Dawkins/Darwins/Hitchens&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve met so many &#8220;unbelievers&#8221; that have been turned off by judgmental Christians&#8211;not because of a fundamental flaw in faith. Jesus&#39;s harshest criticisms were for the religious leaders who forgot the basic tenet of our relationship with God and with each other: love. </p>
<p>I couldn&#39;t agree more with your statement that &#8220;&#8230;the church has done more damage to people&#39;s faith than a thousand million Dawkins/Darwins/Hitchens&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: spiritualtramp</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3037</link>
		<dc:creator>spiritualtramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s a place for disagreement and discussion.  Saying  &quot;I think you&#039;re in error and here&#039;s why,&quot; in a reasonable way is different from, &quot;I&#039;m really concerned that you&#039;re going to hell&quot;.  There are hills to die on sure, I just think that a lot of brothers and sisters see the whole landscape in that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#39;s a place for disagreement and discussion.  Saying  &#8220;I think you&#39;re in error and here&#39;s why,&#8221; in a reasonable way is different from, &#8220;I&#39;m really concerned that you&#39;re going to hell&#8221;.  There are hills to die on sure, I just think that a lot of brothers and sisters see the whole landscape in that way.</p>
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		<title>By: spiritualtramp</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3036</link>
		<dc:creator>spiritualtramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Nobilis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Nobilis.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3035</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve lurked here enough to see your desire for a solid community within which to work out life&#039;s issues; not the least of which to be theological issues.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I sympathize with pushing for something of a hiatus on the &quot;heresy&quot; word, but I&#039;m curious, what&#039;s your prescription for engaging disagreements when they are encountered specifically within our faith communities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve lurked here enough to see your desire for a solid community within which to work out life&#39;s issues; not the least of which to be theological issues.</p>
<p>I sympathize with pushing for something of a hiatus on the &#8220;heresy&#8221; word, but I&#39;m curious, what&#39;s your prescription for engaging disagreements when they are encountered specifically within our faith communities?</p>
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		<title>By: Nobilis</title>
		<link>http://www.spiritualtramp.com/blog/2010/02/profaning_god/comment-page-1/#comment-3034</link>
		<dc:creator>Nobilis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hallelujah, brother.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I say that as a dirty heathen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hallelujah, brother.</p>
<p>And I say that as a dirty heathen.</p>
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